Catch My Drift?

This coming weekend could very well be the very best weekend of my entire life, and let me tell you why. The Klog and I will be joining my brother and four of our good friends in what will soon be known as the greatest road trip ever taken. Where are we going? Detroit, Michigan. And why are we going to Detroit? To see the biggest wrestling extravaganza in sports-entertainment history... WrestleMania! That's right... I will be among the 70,000 plus in attendance to watch the happenings of WrestleMania 23 unfold as it comes live from Ford Field.

I've been a die-hard wrestling fan for a very long, long time. I was first introduced to professional wrestling around the age of 5 and 19 years later I still manage to fit it into my weekly schedule (that makes me 24 for those of you doing the math at home). Saying that professional wrestling is a passion of mine would be a huge understatement. To date, I've attended several live wrestling events in and around the Chicago land area, but none will even come close to matching the event that will take place this Sunday.

To put things into perspective for you non-wrestling fans... sitting live at Wrestlemania is the equivalent to sitting live at the World Series, World Cup, or even the Super Bowl. In professional wrestling... WrestleMania is the end all event. It is where wrestlers become legends and legends become immortals.

When I was the kid, I grew up idolizing wrestling greats like Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, Randy Savage, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Undertaker, Steve Austin, and The Rock. I fondly remember jumping off of my parent's deck delivering elbow drops to imaginary wrestlers, and having friends over (some of which who are onboard for this trip) and hosting wrestling matches in my back yard (some even consisted of ladders and plywood tables). To put it lightly... I'm obsessed, and there is no better place for obsessed wrestling fans than where I'll be this weekend.

Here's a quick glimpse at the 3 main events... I'm sure by now most of you have heard about the Donald Trump storyline where he has agreed to shave his head should his wrestler lose:

For more information on who else is scheduled to be on the card, check out the official Wrestlemania website. I'll be sure to write an after-post and include photos.

eComXpo, the 3-day online marketing tradeshow and exhibit, went down this past week. As I mentioned in my last post, team All Web and I were in attendance and handling our business (as little as it was) on the exhibit room floor.

To be honest, my perception of the tradeshow has changed a bit since the last time we exhibited back in October. It seems to me that many of the people in attendance this time were affiliate marketers and were looking for companies to partner with. We, on the other hand, are obviously in a different mindset and looking to speak with marketing and design prospects. I noticed that as a group our conversations and engagements were very low when compared to the previous show, and that the conference itself lacked in providing "quality" leads. Pending on how well our after-conference marketing efforts go, I'm thinking that this will be the last time we'll be exhibiting. Don't hold me to it though; I have yet to hear from the powers that be.

On a flip side, I did hear that the day seminars went well. Those I did happen to communicate with, including some my industry chums, had nothing but good things to say about the conference portion of the show.

How about you? Did you attend or exhibit? What is your opinion of this past week's eComXpo conference and exhibit?

I just wanted to give everyone a quick heads-up that we (All Web Promotion) will be exhibiting at next week's eComXpo, a 100% virtual tradeshow and conference. The conference will begin on Tuesday morning and end early Thursday evening.

For those of you unfamiliar with eComXpo, it's an online virtual tradeshow specifically for eCommerce marketers... meaning that there is no need for flight or hotel accommodations, just simply login and participate. The conference covers all variations of online marketing, including email, search, affiliate, regulatory, branding, and advertising, in addition to an overview of technology trends and challenges.

Here's a snap-shot of our virtual booth:

If you look hard enough, you can see our goldfish "webber" in the fish tank in the front.

We'll have representatives from our Search Engine Marketing, Yahoo! Store, and Email Marketing divisions on-hand, and so if you happen to be attending (or are one of the few to receive a free pass from me) and have questions regarding our services be sure to drop on by. Or, if you just want to stop by and say "hi"... feel free to do that too. We'll be giving away a FREE Email Marketing Campaign (valued at $400) at the end of the show, and registering to win is fast and easy to do.

Hope to see you there.

Let the Madness begin... March Madness that is. The top 64 men's college basketball teams were chosen this past Sunday, and if you haven't yet filled out your brackets for your office pool or for your own personal amusement... now is the time to do so. The first round will start this Thursday.

In addition to our normal office pool, I have joined up with several others in the SEO industry and will be competing (mostly for bragging rights) in a March Madness pool for SEMs, SEOs, and other industry folks. The group is called "SEO Gang" and is hosted by Yahoo! Sports. You can check out Matt Mcgee's Small Business SEM Blog for more details on how to sign-up for the SEO pool.

When filling out my bracket, I had to make a couple of really difficult decisions and ended up picking a couple of underdogs to win some very key games. Here are a couple of the upsets that I am predicting:

• First Round: (12) Illinois over (5) Virginia Tech
• First Round: (11) VCU over (6) Duke
• Second Round: (8) Kentucky over (1) Kansas
• Second Round: (6) Louisville over (3) Texas A&M

If you're at all interested in knowing the rest of my game-by-game picks, you can check them out by clicking here for a pop-up screenshot of my bracket. But if you'd rather just cut to the chase... here are my final-four picks:

Happy March Madness to everyone!

I was flipping through the latest Search Marketing Standard magazine (the Spring 2007 edition for those of you keeping track at home) and came across back-to-back advertisements for this April's Search Engine Strategies (SES) conference in New York City and for June's Search Marketing Expo (SMX) in Seattle. Seeing them both together like that really got me thinking... can our industry really support yet another major search marketing conference, or is one ultimately doomed to fail?

I guess only time will tell, but I'm interested in knowing what you all think.

My thoughts are simple and rather straight forward on the subject. Honestly... my perception of Search Engine Watch and of the Search Engine Strategies conference has changed slightly now that Danny isn't going to be chairing future events. I'm not sure why... it just is. I think as his SMX brand continues to gain top-notch sponsorships and attract our industry's elite speakers that eventually industry folks will need to make a choice... and that choice will be Search Marketing Expo.

Why will the industry need to make a choice? Well, for now I think sponsors and speakers are ok with shelling out the money and time in order to support both conferences, not to mention other industry conferences such as WebmasterWorld's PubCon or Ad:Tech. However, there will come a time when SMX will end up doing 5 - 7 shows a year and pulling in 1,500 - 2,000 attendees per show. It will begin to run in a similar rotation as the SES conference. With that, I think traveling back and forth to all these shows and spending all that money in either sponsorship fees or conference passes will catch up to most individuals and companies... and thus they'll need to make a choice.

Why will the industry choose Search Marketing Expo? Two words... Danny Sullivan! He is no doubt the Dali Llama of the Search Engine Marketing industry, and as Greg Boser once said, "where the Dali Llama goes... the industry will follow". I certainly believe that.

Anyway... that's just my 2 cents. What are your thoughts?

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Today I'll be talking shop with my new-found friend and search marketing expert Liana Evans of Commerce360. She, as most of you know, is also the creator and main-contributor to the Search Marketing Gurus blog, a blog best known for its efforts in offering search marketing related advice, tips, tricks, and news.

I first met Li at this past December's Search Engine Strategies Conference in Chicago. I was walking through the hotel bar and happen to stop for a quick chat with Todd and Lisa... before I knew it I was wearing a joker hat on top of my signature FireFox cap and posing for Li's "HatBait" contest. Little did I know that I would later come to win that contest, become friends with Li, and begin writing for her SMG blog... isn't it funny how things turn out?

I'm extremely excited to be doing this interview today, as Li is a well-respected veteran in our industry. She has been manipulating search engines as far back as 1996, and has plenty of great advice to offer in regards to developing and marketing websites via search engines and social media outlets. With that said, I am hoping that this interview comes across as both educational, as well as entertaining, and that readers are able to walk away with something of value.

And without any further ado, here is the exclusive one-on-one chat with Li Evans.

Hey Li... welcome to my neck of the woods. I know you and I've been talking about doing this Interview for quite a while and so I'm glad we're able to be throwing it down here today. You've obviously been quite busy with work, your side projects, moving, and just recently attending an SES Conference in London... and so I'm very thankful that you were willing to take some time away from all of that to come and chat with me.

It's been a world wind month! Packing, traveling, unpacking and making my apartment a place that I live in rather than just the place I moved too, has been time consuming. Thankfully that's mostly done and now I can actually fit two cars in my two car garage. I'm glad though you could work with my schedule to do this interview Karl, I'm glad to speak with you and your Klog audience. :)

Not a problem at all. Alright... let's kick this interview off right, and start by having you share with us a little bit about yourself, specifically your background, and how you first became involved in search engine marketing.

When I decided to go back to school to attain my bachelor's degree, search was really starting to take off. I would be in the computer labs working on projects, I had a few odd ball pages ranking in Alta Vista and Lycos for odd things and trying to figure out why it did. My personality is very methodical & logical and the major portion of my background is highly technical - so I was driven to figure out how these "search engines" all worked, this was in '96/'97.

From there it just took off - I actually had professors coming up to me to ask me how I found what I did, or how I got things to rank.

Very cool Li! It sounds to me like you were able to get in on the ground floor of the search industry... not to many people can say they've been involved in search as long as you have. Kudos to you! To be honest, I know very little about the company you work for. Can you tell us a little bit about Commerce360, and your position with the company?

Commerce360 is a full service online marketing firm. From strategy to analytics, paid search and natural search optimization, the goal of our firm is to drive quality traffic that converts and produces revenue for our clients.

My role as a Search Marketing Manager is to oversee all of the SEO work and other marketing channels that affect SEO. Those other marketing channels include Social Media and Blogging. I also work with the shopping comparison engines, figuring out which ones will work for our clients and helping to ensure that their feeds are optimized.

As you're well aware, online companies come in many different shapes and sizes, and sell just about everything there is to sell online. How would you describe the typical Commerce360 client?

I don't think we have one "typical" client, each and everyone of ours is unique, other than the main goal of wanting more revenue from their website. We have some clients where heavy word of mouth marketing is key to their success and paid search is just a drain on their resources. We have others where an affiliate marketing course of action works perfectly. And still we have others that a combination of both PPC and SEO is exactly what is needed to boost the qualified/converting traffic to the site. It's about analyzing each of our clients and understanding their market space - and then figuring out what works for them.

That's an excellent approach to this business. Offering a cookie-cutter solution, and expecting clients to fit the mold is certainly not the way to go. Moving forward, I, for one, am a big fan of your "Search Marketing Gurus" blog (even before becoming a writer), and certainly believe that it is one of the better Blogs available in terms of providing up-to-date search engine news and commentary. What is your overall goal with the blog?

Thanks Karl! It's always nice to hear people enjoy reading SMG! The overall goal of the blog is and continues to be to share with the community information, tips, ideas and news about Internet Marketing Strategies that can and do affect Search Marketing. We're not exactly a breaking news place like Barry's SE Roundtable, Loren's Search Engine Journal or Danny's Search Engine Land, mostly because I've got a day job (that I love!) and do most of my blogging early in the morning, late at night and on the weekends.

The other writers help to expand in areas that I don't get nitty gritty into. Greg Meyers, who is also my coworker, really helps me round out the paid search and other areas that I might not delve into everyday. I've also added Michael Abolafia who is our resident expert in the Affiliate Marketing part of our industry, he's got some great insight that I certainly lack and is very willing to share with the audience. Then, of course, I've added you Karl! How could I not want the writer of the Klog Blog on SMG?

Wonderful Li... I'd certainly recommend your blog to just about anyone serious about this industry. In fact, just recently you've started a Wednesday "Women of Search" interview series in which I enjoy tuning into each week. I've especially enjoyed your Jill Whalen, Lisa Barone, and Kim Krause Berg interviews! What gave you the idea to start such a series? What are you hoping to achieve with it?

Ironically enough I have Phillip Lenssen to thank for the inspiration, in a round about way. In a direct way, Kim Krause Berg was the other inspiration. Phillip wrote this article on Google Blogoscoped about popular blog posts and not one woman was featured. He claimed he did ask a woman, but she never replied (he also didn't name her).

Kim did a post about this, and when I went to look at the comments on it a lot of men were coming down on Shelley Powers for pointing out the lack of female representation. That's when I decided that someone needed to point out the great women in this industry and that they do indeed have blogs and are active marketers.

What I hope to achieve is to bring awareness that there are some really talented women in this field who are just as smart, just as talented and just as important as their male counterparts and shouldn't be left out because we are in the minority. And for the record, I'm not a "feminist"! LOL I just feel it's about time the women got some recognition. As Brandy Shapiro-Babbin says "I'm all about girl-power!"

Absolutely no arguments here. Lol... well then, in addition to the "Search Marketing Gurus" Blog, what other avenues do you take part in to help share and spread SEO news and information?

I'm somewhat active in the forums and boards - you'll see me as "storyspinner" or "storyspinn" in those places. Mostly in HighRankings, but also occasionally in SEW, and once and a while WebMasterRadio (I'm LiEvans) for the Daily Search Cast. I find though I don't have as much time for it as I blog a lot these days.

Just about 2 weeks ago, my good friend Kim Krause Berg of Cre8asite Forums sent me off an email asking me if I'd like to be a moderator. I figured, what the heck, I love helping people and this was a great opportunity. I'm now the moderator of the SEO forum with Rand and Ron Carnell and the Social Media & Tagging forum with my good pal Chris Winfield of 10e20.

I'm also a speaker at Search Engine Strategies (SES) where I speak on the "Search and Regulated Industries" session, and the "Images & Search Engines" session. In fact, I just finished up speaking at London SES and now am slated to speak at NYC SES. Each one is unique and has a different audience, but both end up with people saying to me... "Wow, I didn't realize that, thanks for sharing that." That really makes your day when you know you've shared some piece of knowledge that can help someone else's job/life be a bit easier in the long run.

Speaking of SES, tell us a little bit about the "HatBait" project? It was certainly a big hit at this past December's SES Conference, and I think people really enjoyed themselves with it. I know I did! What were some of your goals for the project, and what do you think you've accomplished?

My goal was to meet people. This gave me an avenue I never had before, to do just that. I didn't want to pin anyone into saying they were a black hat or a white hat ... I wanted people to have fun, and that we'd get to meet, that's why I had elf hats, cows, angels, and even a princess (yet another opportunity to plug for Princess Neil Patel). I also didn't want to exclude anyone and only go for the "A-Listers" (like Danny, Rand, Barry, Lee, etc) so to speak, that'd be so limiting! If I had done that, I would have never gotten to meet you, Karl!

Overall I think people finally were able to remember who I was and were glad to meet me (at least I hope they were), and they got to meet a few other people they might not have known before too.

Li, are you insinuating that I'm not an "A-Lister"...? I'm the author of the Klog Blog dammit! LOL... ok, I'm so low in the ranks that I'm like an "S-Lister". In any case, do you have plans for a follow-up project... maybe another "HatBait" contest or something new altogether?

Becky Ryan (aka web moxy) from Trellian is wanting me to, but I'm still undecided. The last thing I want is people saying "oh no here she comes again" and groaning and rolling their eyes. I can tell you this though - what ever is done (if it's done) won't have the term "BAIT" attached to it! LOL.

Lol... considering all that went down after the contest, I'd say that's probably not a bad idea. Moving forward... you mentioned above that you were Cre8asite's new "Social Media and Tagging" moderator. What are your exact thoughts on the subject? As a search marketer, do you feel that search media optimization strategies are worth venturing into, or do you feel the benefits are limited and therefore not worth the effort?

It all depends on your client. A nursing home probably has no need to been in Digg - its not their target market. But, the could have a blog aimed towards the children of their residents. Social Media is worth the effort, because it can drive highly targeted and relevant traffic to your site. It also can help to boost your website in the search engines.

The key really is, knowing which channel of Social Media will work the best for each of your clients.

Does Commerce360 offer or have plans to offer Social Media Optimization solutions? As the benefits of Social Media campaigns continue to grow... do you think more and more companies will begin to adopt SMO strategies?

We don't define Social Media as a "service" you can buy "ala cart" so to speak. We bundled that into the SEO offerings and look at it from a strategic point of view.

If it makes sense to offer it to our clients, we'll present it, but we don't go to every client and say "you've got to do SMO, it's the newest, greatest thing!" That's the entirely wrong approach for how we structure our relationships with our clients. It's a true understanding of what our clients business models are and how we can better enhance their bottom line with online marketing.

Having worked in the Search Marketing field since 1999, what do you feel are some of the biggest misconceptions floating around today?

That the general public has figured out what Search Marketing really is. Inside our own "world" here, our fishbowl so to speak, we all know that Title Tags help. We all know a linking strategy is important - this is easy stuff for us. But ask your neighbor, or the small business that's a carpet installing service - they have no clue, and are only just realizing that the internet is likely more valuable to them than a yellow page ad.

Wow... I like that a lot. I've asked that same question a couple of times in my past interviews and have never liked an answer more, than yours today. In most cases, interviewees just bash on a technique or a strategy. You, on the other hand, really hit the nail on the head. In regarding to SEO techniques and strategies, there are obviously many that one can implement into their SEO efforts. Which do you feel is the most important?

I don't think there's "one" thing for every client. Each client of ours is in a diversely different market, so what works for one client, doesn't work for another. So with that in mind, the strategy I always employ is constant, in-depth thorough research for each client. Knowing the competitors and knowing the market space are critical in planning SEO strategies.

In general though, basic on-page optimization (title tags, bold, relevant content) in conjunction with an organic linking strategy are the best building blocks.

Which do you feel is least important?

Most of the Meta tags like "author" or "revisit". The meta keyword tag is "almost" useless, I utilize that for keyword misspellings I don't want in my content, which if it's not that competitive does help on occasion, but forget about it for competitive terms. The only meta tag that is of some value - and not even SEO-wise, is the description tag. Writing a description of your page is important in order to let the searcher know exactly what they are going to find on the page. When you tie that together with your title tag, you have a powerful way to get a marketing statement across (for free).

That's a great tip for my "do it yourself" readers and I certainly couldn't agree with you more. Utilizing your description tag to promote your company's marketing message is very beneficial in almost every way possible. What other general tips can you offer? What about tools and resources? What are some of those that you use religiously that you would recommend to others?

TRELLIAN!! I'm a big fan of their Keyword Discovery tool. David, Hilton, Larry, Becky & the rest of the team have such a great product. Anyone that asks me, it's the first words out of my mouth.

We also have some in-house tools that I've helped to improve or develop that we use in our research and strategy methods.

I also consider WebmasterRadio one of my biggest resources. What Brandy and Daron have created is a wonderful source of information, great ideas in a fun format to obtain. Plus I also love hearing Danny sigh, sing and rant all in a 20 minute span of time.

Interesting picks. Trellian indeed has a great keyword research tool, and I too consider WebmasterRadio and their shows to be very resourceful. With this industry being capable of growing very quickly and into places not yet foreseen, in your opinion, where do you see the Search Engine Marketing industry being 5 years down the road?

Five years is a long time in this industry, so it's really tough to see that far in advance. Heck there was a time where "3 months = 1 year" on the Internet. Where I see things going though is to personalization and socialization. It's all about "me" and "what I belong to".

We can see the beginnings of it now. Most widgets appeal to the personalization and the displaying of "me" or "what I like" and sharing that with others. Just look at the MyBlogLog widget - it satisfies two "me's" - "Me" the blog owner (look who's been to my blog) and "Me" the reader (oh look there's my avatar in "lights").

As a big "Trekkie" fan (no I don't dress up in the uniforms!), there's always that hope that one day, maybe in my life time, we'll have some kind of gadget similar to Spok's or Bones', or I can just say "Tea, Earl Gray" and it'll appear. Yes, I know I'm dreaming, but that's the fun of it all!

Let's assume that the industry does move in a more personalization and socialization state, well... more so than it is now. Where do you see yourself and your company being at that time?

I'll probably be still knee deep and hands dug into developing internet marketing strategies for our clients. I'm really a hands-on, type of person, I love to "do" and then "see" the results. Perhaps I'll oversee the implementation of the strategies developed for our clients.

As for Commerce360, I see us as a major player in the industry, but distinguishing ourselves by having a partnership with businesses, rather than just being seen as a resource they call when their rankings drop. My CEO, Lucinda Holt, is a true visionary and the plans for Commerce360's future are really amazing! I have every confidence that Lucinda's vision for C360 will come to fruition.

Very cool indeed! Ok... one last question and then I'll let you get back to work. What can the search marketing industry expect to see from you and/or the SMG blog in the near future? Any major projects or happenings that you'll be involved in?

More "weekly" type columns. I'm hoping that maybe I can look at how all the politicians are utilizing Search Marketing to their advantage or disadvantage. Perhaps some more interviews, too! Projects wise, I've just taken on moderation duties at Cre8asite forum, for a new forum on Social Media & Tagging as well as their SEO Forum. I'm also going to give Barry a hand with blogging the session at SES NYC this year.

Well, with all that was said, I'm now out of questions and that means that you're officially off the hook and free to go. On a more serious note, I think we were able to put down a GREAT interview, and I thank you for your time and for sharing your search marketing insights with me and the Klog readers.

It's been a pleasure chatting with you.

Thanks for taking the time to ask me all these questions Karl, it's probably been more beneficial to me than you know. Now, how do I get a Klog?

About Li:
Liana (a.k.a Li) Evans is the creator and main contributor to Search Marketing Gurus and has assembled a well rounded group of professional search marketing professionals to contribute to the blog. Li is also the search marketing manager at Commerce360, located just outside of Philadelphia, in Plymouth Meeting, PA.

Li has an extensive I.T. and marketing background, holding degrees in both Public Relations and Information Systems. In a prior life, Li was a database and visual basic programmer who "found the light" with search marketing back in 1999.

Li's main areas of expertise in the online marketing industry is Natural Search Optimization, Blog Promotion, Search Media Optimization, Link Baiting & Viral Marketing with a sprinkling of PR for the Web mixed in.

Li is an active contributor and moderator on the SEO and Social Media forums at Crea8site Forums, she also contributes from time to time on High Rankings, Search Engine Watch and Webmaster World Forums. She has also been a speaker at the Search Engine Strategies conference on the Search & Images and Search & Regulated Industries panels.

Working professionally in the search marketing field since 1999, Li has run her own company, worked for a Fortune 500 Internet Retailer as the Natural Search Marketing Manager, she is now currently employed with Commerce 360, a Search Marketing Strategies Firm in Plymouth Meeting, PA and resides in Limerick, PA with her Rescue Greyhound, "Reilly"

About Karl Ribas:
Karl Ribas is the Project Manager at All Web Promotion, and on the side runs his own search engine marketing Blog and consultant website. He has been designing websites since 2001, and began his involvement with search engine marketing in September of 2003. As both, Project Manager at All Web Promotion and owner of his own website, Karl provides up-to-date, valuable, and effect Search Engine Marketing and design services to a wide range of small to medium sized online businesses.